Trump vs Clinton

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ProDeo, Mar 16, 2016.

  1. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    Uh, no. He would not. This country, overall, is done with conservatives. We're never going to have a conservative President again...
     
  2. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    Don't get me wrong. I don't believe the United States has ever been perfect and that we've somehow fallen from that "perfection." But, I really do think things, in some ways, were a lot better even 20, 30 years ago than they are now. Liberalism has always been around but it's actually taken over now and is the mindset of the majority of the people in this country. It only stands to reason that means the majority of those in power will also now be liberal and pushing liberal agendas.

    When I was growing up in the 1970s and 1980s, of course sexual perversion existed, but I never dreamed it would become so normalized. I never would have dreamed that homosexuals would be able to get "married," but in 2004 that became reality. I believe that polygamists will be the next group to have the right to marry. Eventually, so will people who are into incest. Possibly people into bestiality. I want to say pedophiles never will, that the idea of a grown man having sex with a child will never gain acceptance here, but, knowing how depraved people can be, it wouldn't surprise me if eventually those perverts will also be able to "marry" as well.

    I grew up believing that boys used the boys' bathroom and girls used the girls' bathroom. Now, either can use whichever bathroom they choose to use. I wonder how long it will be before teen boys and teen girls will be permitted to shower together after P.E. class? I'm sure the guaranteed increased sexual activity, and accompanying pregnancies and STDs occurring during those "showers," will completely shock and flabergast school officials, too. ::)

    Kids in Kindergarten used to just learn how to begin to read and write and learn their colors and shapes, now they're learning that it's ok to have two mommies or two daddies and that it's ok if they were born a boy but think they might "really" be a girl inside. Yeah, Isaiah 5:20 pretty much sums up the liberal mindset that calls good evil and evil good...
     
  3. Athanasius

    Athanasius Life is not a problem to be solved Staff Member

    It's not a 'whatever term': these are serious words, that transcend 'liberal' vs 'conservative'. Would you accept classical Communism's redistribution of wealth? Nope. But that's exactly what you're getting re: social programs, equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity, and so on. What your country is buying into, is Communism by nicer names: equality, love, inclusion, diversity.
     
  4. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    I find it slightly amusing, and also incredibly scary, that you, who isn't even an American citizen, and doesn't even live here, can actually see the handwriting on the wall for this country better than most Americans can.
     
  5. Athanasius

    Athanasius Life is not a problem to be solved Staff Member

    Maybe that's why
     
  6. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    Well, either which way, I'm beginning to become a bit angry, and even depressed, thinking about the future of my country.
     
  7. teddyv

    teddyv The horse is in the barn. Staff Member

    As a non-American, I don't quite see it as Kierk does though.
     
  8. Athanasius

    Athanasius Life is not a problem to be solved Staff Member

    Enjoy it while it lasts xD
     
  9. teddyv

    teddyv The horse is in the barn. Staff Member

    Meh.
     
  10. Liquid Tension

    Liquid Tension No, it's NOT a fish!!!

    I honestly disagree with you here.

    The last republican POTUS candidate I voted for was McCain. I knew he had no chance to win as he was a weak candidate. And there was no way I would ever vote for Romney.

    Personally, if the GOP could've put out a better candidate who ended up winning the "R" nomination, I more than likely would've stayed with the repubs. But we all saw the clown car they had and Trump ended up winning the clown race.

    I wanted to like Rubio, but just couldn't pull the trigger. Just something didn't resonate with me in regard to him. The sad thing is that the most sane person in this whole fiasco is Pence. But that's compared to a very low bar.

    Trump and the far right moonbat crazy nut jobs will be the reason a republican/conservative will not be elected president for a long time. The party has a lot of work to do in mending the fractures within. I don't buy the argument I've seen by a number of people (not here) who say the GOP will split, but I don't dismiss the possibility either.

    There appears to be a fracture in the dem party also, but, IMO, not nearly as large and have a stronger, united front................for now.

    I get the feeling that, in our lifetime, we're going to see a huge political shakeup in this country.
     
  11. Athanasius

    Athanasius Life is not a problem to be solved Staff Member

    If the internet today is a reflection of society a few years down the road, then the West isn't going to be in a good place. The state will be enforcing speech codes; 'equality', 'diversity', etc., will be enforced as matters of policy. Censors will review and determine the quality of all forms of media, and ban, censor, etc., as they deem appropriate. Stating the wrong opinion will see you fined, ostracized, jailed, etc.

    It's happening already on campuses; it's happening in corporations, and unless there's a significant social shift - and I doubt there will be - it will spread out from there.
     
  12. IMINXTC

    IMINXTC Time Bandit

    It boiled down to character issues.

    In a normal election, Hillary would lose because of huge trust deficits and a weak personna.

    Remarkable the number who will vote to keep keep Trump out, even if it means Bill Clinton living in the White House.

    Reeks of conspiracy.
     
  13. IMINXTC

    IMINXTC Time Bandit

    Whatever influence the conservative Christian wielded in the Republican party has been effectively shut down and will continue to shrink in the social sphere over the next 4 years.
     
  14. teddyv

    teddyv The horse is in the barn. Staff Member

    I don't know if I should be surprised or not, but even Glenn Beck prefers Clinton over Trump. I don't put a whole lot of stock in Mr. Beck, but it seems somewhat out of character, unless its related to his Mormonism?
     
  15. IMINXTC

    IMINXTC Time Bandit

    Beck surprised me as well.
     
  16. Liquid Tension

    Liquid Tension No, it's NOT a fish!!!

    I believe Beck's been anti-Trump pretty much from the start.
     
  17. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    I read what Glenn Beck had to say on his website and what you indicate is not correct. He outright said he does not endorse Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. I posted a link to his website for you to see what was said by him.

    http://www.glennbeck.com/2016/10/11/i-am-neither-endorsing-nor-voting-for-hillary-clinton/
     
  18. teddyv

    teddyv The horse is in the barn. Staff Member

    I read Glenn Beck's original Facebook post that was mentioned in your link and he has now clarified some comments that originally could be construed as indicating a preference. Thanks.
     
  19. tango

    tango ... and you shall live ... Staff Member

    I can't help thinking that if the right would shake off its obsession with homosexuals they could easily be a massively dominant force in politics again.

    I read a survey recently that showed millennials, who one might expect to support Clinton, were turning to Gary Johnson in surprising numbers. One editorial (I think it was the NY Times, but could be wrong) commented on how remarkable this was, and how one wouldn't expect millennials to support many of Johnson's positions. Their slant was that maybe the millennials were drawn to the "liberty" name and hadn't looked into what he stood for; I suspect they had looked into them and decided they liked a platform that's fiscally conservative but socially liberal. In other words, small government that lets people succeed based on their merits and their efforts, paired with a government that minds its own business and leaves people to get on with whatever they do in private, whether they do it with men or women or mix-n-match as the mood takes them.

    Most of the objections I see to right-leaning platforms is when those on the right are seen as "hating" gays, transgendered, women, non-whites etc. In many ways right-leaning parties often come across as "male, pale and stale", and are often accused of sidelining anyone who isn't a white man (the fact the Conservative Party in the UK was responsible for the first female Prime Minister, the first female Home Secretary and the second female Prime Minister is usually lost in this argument, but there you go). And to a large extent I think the problem is that, for too long, we have allowed those on the left to define terms. So when people say it's racist to use an image of the Hindu god Ganesh as a decoration, or to paint it in anything other than the correct shade of blue, we end up with situations where just about anything the left dislikes is considered racist. Likewise anything that can even remotely be presented as somehow "disadvantaging" women is immediately sexist, and so on. Of course the fact that disagreement is so liberally equated with hate doesn't help the situation. I disagree with people who vote for left-leaning politics but don't hate them, I disagree with the lifestyles of homosexuals but don't hate them, and so on.
     
  20. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    I don't agree. The "right" or "conservatives" or whatever label you would like to use, are a done party in this country. Though a surprising number of millennials are interested in candidates like Johnson, most, dare I say, are liberal and will continue to vote liberal. And more younger people are voting like never before. Older people are becoming jaded with politics and aren't voting anymore. I also don't think if conservatives suddenly dropped homosexuality as a fighting point that it would matter. I think trying to change the image for conservatives is a lost cause.
     

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