Our leaders: Is this ok to pray for?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by devilslayer365, May 1, 2016.

  1. tango

    tango ... and you shall live ... Staff Member

    Is that relevant?

    If Christians who were being crucified and otherwise martyred for their faith were expected to pray for the leaders who were doing it, and at present the worst thing we have to worry about is that we might have to bake a cake for a gay couple getting married (oh, the horror!), maybe we don't have as much to gripe about as we like to think.
     
  2. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    If Bernie Sanders becomes President we'll have much more to worry about than having to bake cakes for gay weddings. We'll all be broke and struggling just to put food into our stomachs and shelter over our heads because he's a staunch socialist and wants to make the United States into Venezuela. Yeah, THAT'S the standard of living I'm just aching to live by...
     
  3. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    Pray for WHAT?
     
  4. RabbiKnife

    RabbiKnife Open the pod bay door, please HAL. Staff Member

    Take no thought for tomorrow, what you shall eat, or what you shall wear, for the Lord Himself knows that you ah e need of such things...
     
  5. RabbiKnife

    RabbiKnife Open the pod bay door, please HAL. Staff Member

    The same things you would pray for yourself and your family...
     
  6. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    I don't know. I think I'd be more inclined to pray that they follow the United States Constitution while they were in office rather than they have a nice family life. How their personal life goes doesn't impact me personally. Them ruling fairly and decently, or not, will impact me personally.
     
  7. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    Ok, Lord. Please do your stuff should Sanders get in office. We'll DEFINITELY need all the help we can get. Amen...
     
  8. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    Oh, and Lord, should Hillary Clinton get in office, same thing I prayed in regards to Bernie Sanders. We'll be screwed as a nation. Please help us in that scenario as well. Amen...
     
  9. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    Question. If God is the one that puts every person into office (how does that work with voting, by the way?), why does He sometimes put some real mental midgets in charge? Is he punishing us or something? ???
     
  10. RabbiKnife

    RabbiKnife Open the pod bay door, please HAL. Staff Member

    In the US, the people are the sovereign.

    We elect mental midgets to represent us, but we are the sovereign.
     
  11. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    So, you're not of the opinion that God personally puts all governmental leaders into power?
     
  12. RabbiKnife

    RabbiKnife Open the pod bay door, please HAL. Staff Member

    God establishes governing authorities, sometimes directly, sometimes permissively.
     
  13. ProDeo

    ProDeo What a day for a day dream

    And holds them accountable as well.
     
  14. Scooby_Snax

    Scooby_Snax Rut-Roh

  15. ProDeo

    ProDeo What a day for a day dream

    Liked the article.

    I am always surprised with the close religious links (many) American Christians have with politics, something totally alien where I live. I see the separation between state and Church as one of the best decisions in human history. Church and power in the hands of fallible religious people (even Christians) was a bad idea and history is full of examples. In the hypothetical case NAR will rise to power suppressing large minorities the end is predictable, bloodshed.
     
  16. Scooby_Snax

    Scooby_Snax Rut-Roh

    That was actually the example I was thinking of most that separates a supposed "liberal" from a supposed "conservative".

    Being branded as evil or bad because I too believe it is good to separate the two (in the liberal definition) is well...I might have to make a word up for it.
     
  17. Athanasius

    Athanasius Life is not a problem to be solved Staff Member

    And yet in the US religion is closely tied to politics, unlike, e.g., in the UK, where there is no separation of church and state. Interesting.
     
  18. ProDeo

    ProDeo What a day for a day dream

    Brits are fascinating 8)

    They do everything different (drive left, different measures, miles instead of simple meters by the power of 10, they have shillings, sixpence, threepence, pennies, halfpennies, in tennis instead of 1,2,3 they use 15,30,40 and now they want to leave the EU.
     
  19. Athanasius

    Athanasius Life is not a problem to be solved Staff Member

    I get to vote in that referendum. Wonder which way I'll go...
     
  20. ProDeo

    ProDeo What a day for a day dream

    Such an issue, in case of a Brexit nobody can know for sure how things will turn out on the long term and even if the effects are measurable. Likely nothing will change for the average citizen. We want to regain our independence looks to me the strongest argument of the NO camp.
     

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