How much guidance?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by devilslayer365, Oct 28, 2017.

  1. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    I disagree. God is the most brilliant mathematician in existence. The level of His intelligence makes us all look like we’re in a mentally vegetative state.
     
  2. teddyv

    teddyv The horse is in the barn. Staff Member

    OK. But therefore it is theistic? I guess you could make it part of a fine-tuning argument.
     
  3. teddyv

    teddyv The horse is in the barn. Staff Member

    I don't think I made any comment that would necessarily disagree with that.
     
  4. Kierkegaard

    Kierkegaard Life is not a problem to be solved Staff Member

    Two options: a god of some sort, or an extra-dimensional alien species of some sort.
     
  5. ProDeo

    ProDeo What a day for a day dream

    And the extra-dimensional alien species of some sort was created by whom? or did it always exist?
     
  6. Kierkegaard

    Kierkegaard Life is not a problem to be solved Staff Member

    You got it
     
  7. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    You actually sort of did. You stated you didn’t believe “the universe was born with mathematics in an intrinsic sense.” It had to be, though. God created all the elements that make up the universe. All those elements are made up of certain amounts (which are numbers) of neutrons, protons, electrons. Math certainly was involved in creation.
     
  8. teddyv

    teddyv The horse is in the barn. Staff Member

    Maths afford another means of description of the universe. I don't quite see creation ex nihilo as requiring math to be created or being used by God in the process.
     
  9. Kierkegaard

    Kierkegaard Life is not a problem to be solved Staff Member

    If you think of the structure maths describe as analogous to our programming languages, then I think there is an argument to be made there.
     
  10. TrustGzus

    TrustGzus Don't make me hangry Staff Member

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  11. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    Well, sure. If God chose to create in a different fashion than how He apparently did choose to create, “math” may not have been neccessary. However, as I have pointed out in a simple example, math, on some level, WAS used.
     
  12. ProDeo

    ProDeo What a day for a day dream

    On a massive level, example - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_constant

    All these formula's.........

    All of it came from a tiny hot densed bubble that exploded.

    It should make every atheist think twice.
     
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