Evil Now, Good Later?

Discussion in 'Devotions' started by The Parson, Jun 8, 2017.

  1. TrustGzus

    TrustGzus Don't make me hangry Staff Member

    Brillant can be argued. But I'm satisfied with where you went. Makes sense to me.
     
  2. The Parson

    The Parson Your friendly neighborhood parson Staff Member

    Not in a million years sir. That is unless someone actually does an accurate translation from the RT.
     
  3. TrustGzus

    TrustGzus Don't make me hangry Staff Member

    You understood the text. You replaced conversation with words we would use today.

    Merriam-Webster's states....

    con•ver•sa•tion \ˌkän-vər-ˈsā-shən\ noun
    [Middle English conversacioun, from Anglo-French conversacion, from Latin conversation-, conversatio, from conversari to associate with, frequentative of convertere to turn around] 14th century
    1 obsolete: conduct, behavior


    Conduct is used in the NKJV, ESV, HCSB, CSB & NRSV. So, at least in regard to that word, you should agree that all of those are accurate, shouldn't you?
     
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  4. פNIʞƎƎS

    פNIʞƎƎS Connoisseur of Memes Staff Member

    Ahh yes. Makes sense now.
    But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; - NIV
    but, like the Holy One who called you, become holy yourselves in all of your conduct, - NET
    but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; - NASB
    but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, - NKJV
    but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, - ESV
    but according as He who did call you [is] holy, ye also, become holy in all behaviour, - YLT
    Instead, as he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in all your conduct; - NRSV
     
  5. The Parson

    The Parson Your friendly neighborhood parson Staff Member

    Yes, I understood the text. It isn't the diction that's the problem. Lets not rehash this particular dead horse... dedhos
     
  6. RabbiKnife

    RabbiKnife Open the pod bay door, please HAL.

    I think his point is that you did in your translation what you find problematic in so-called "modern" translations.
     
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  7. The Parson

    The Parson Your friendly neighborhood parson Staff Member

    I knew most new versioners wouldn't know the meaning of the word, but thanks for the clarification RK.:)
     
  8. TrustGzus

    TrustGzus Don't make me hangry Staff Member

    I think this illustrates the biggest concern I have with the KJV. It uses words we still today use but not the way we use them today. Nobody is at fault in this.

    Conversation is a great example. I know what is meant in the KJV. But outside of KJV context, who uses conversation to mean conduct in the 21st century (or latter 20th century)? Not just modern versioners, but any English speaking person.

    I can't think of a modern day use of that. Not at my work. Football doesn't penalize guys for unsportsmanlike conversation. But we still use the word conversation. But we just mean talking. So even an intelligent, well-educated person, if they aren't familiar with archaic use of English words can misinterpret the KJV at 1 Peter 1:15 and twelve other locations where ἀναστροφή is translated as conversation. Most would interpret that as not more than one's speech and miss the whole point. And thus misinterpret and under apply the Scripture. That's a serious problem!

    The word conversation was a perfectly good choice by the KJV translators. But due to our change of use of the definition of conversation, people naturally misunderstand the KJV due to no fault of the KJV nor of the 21st century reader. No one is at fault. But it's just a fact due to the constant evolving of language. I think it's too bad that they stopped revising the KJV in 1769.
     
  9. פNIʞƎƎS

    פNIʞƎƎS Connoisseur of Memes Staff Member

    I was referring to my misunderstanding of the word conversation. Which is why I always use multiple translations to get a better understanding for myself. I'm not that sharp. I need the extra help.
     
  10. TrustGzus

    TrustGzus Don't make me hangry Staff Member

    I like everyone's conversation in this conversation.
     
  11. פNIʞƎƎS

    פNIʞƎƎS Connoisseur of Memes Staff Member

    Me too. Polite and very edumacated. And very poetical.
     
  12. The Parson

    The Parson Your friendly neighborhood parson Staff Member

    I understand what you're saying Joe. To see the language updated without any "additions", "subtractions", or "so called corrections", by adding the other texts to it like the did they NKJV did. However, the only revision to take place in the KJB was to update the spelling. Nothing more before or after that. Except if you considering removal of the Apocrypha, which wasn't even authorized to be there in the first place.
     
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  13. teddyv

    teddyv The horse is in the barn. Staff Member

    So is silicon a semi-conversationer?
     
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  14. פNIʞƎƎS

    פNIʞƎƎS Connoisseur of Memes Staff Member

    That went way over my head.
     
  15. teddyv

    teddyv The horse is in the barn. Staff Member

    You organics are all the same.
     
  16. פNIʞƎƎS

    פNIʞƎƎS Connoisseur of Memes Staff Member

    :(
     
  17. Kierkegaard

    Kierkegaard Life is not a problem to be solved Staff Member

    To point out generally: anyone who believes in 'sin nature' cannot also believe that we can choose to live sinless, since sin would also be ontological reality re: human nature, and only God can renew human nature. We might succeed at not making sinful choices (assuming we're aware of every specific instance where sin is a possibility), but we would always be, pre-glorification, sinful people making choices not to sin.
     
  18. The Parson

    The Parson Your friendly neighborhood parson Staff Member

    So would the appropriate response to that be: "Gee, what a totally depraved thing to say"?pi-in-face
     
  19. פNIʞƎƎS

    פNIʞƎƎS Connoisseur of Memes Staff Member

    That sounds right to me.
     
  20. Kierkegaard

    Kierkegaard Life is not a problem to be solved Staff Member

    The only two responses are: (1) we cannot live sinless lives, or (2) there's no such thing as a sin nature.
     

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