Transgender bathroom laws

This is a Christian forum so resurrection of things is allowed.

 

Puns are the lowest form of humor, but then, consider the forum...

 

I've never liked that quote, because it was only one man's opinion about it. I hardly think that makes the rule.

 

This is where the King of Memes(TM) comes in with either "I see what you did there" or "The beatings will continue until morale improves."

To the OP, I certainly understand the concern of parents and their children. What might bother me is one thing. What might bother me in relation to a child is quite another.

 

The sad thing is the expectation that 99% of the population will just tolerate a huge intrusion into their privacy for the sake of the 1% or less.

I still think of the bathrooms in a restaurant called Belgo's in London. It's a single unisex bathroom, with cubicles that offer total privacy. Walls between cubicles go from floor to ceiling, the doors go from floor to ceiling with no gaps above, below or either side. If you're a man you go into the bathroom, choose an empty cubicle, do what you need to do, and leave. If you're a woman you go into the bathroom, choose an empty cubicle, do what you need to do, and leave. If today you identify as the god of thunder you go into the bathroom, choose an empty cubicle, do what you need to do, and leave. It's very simple. To wash your hands there's a huge great round sink with a bar to step on to turn the water on. Apparently statistics show that men are significantly more likely to wash their hands if women are present, so there's potentially a hygiene boost thrown in for good measure. And if some weirdo starts creeping out on your daughter you get to knock his teeth out without wondering whether you should be marching into the women's bathroom to do it.

 

Since all of us have probably already shared a bathroom with a trans- person without even being aware, I don't foresee a great deal of trouble with the matter. The voyeuristic aspect is a possibility, but I'm just not sure the actual numbers would bear out being overly worried.

Ultimately I would agree with Tango that public restrooms and change rooms should just shift to individual enclosed stalls.

 

It's quite possible that many of us (or at least many women, given most gender reassignment is men becoming women) have shared with a trans person without knowing it. And the key thing is that a genuine trans person probably doesn't want to stand out, they just want to get on with their life and go to the bathroom, or get changed, or whatever it is they are doing. The trouble is that the whole "gender identity" concept means that someone who is clearly male, complete with facial hair and male genitalia, could just walk into the women's changing room and get undressed while nobody would have any right to tell him he couldn't be there. For the average woman that would probably be very uncomfortable. For someone who had suffered a sexual assault it's easily to see how it would be far more than uncomfortable.

The gym my wife and I used to go to at our last house did that with changing rooms - there was one wet changing area and one dry changing area, both containing regular and large stalls. The walls went from about six inches above the floor to the ceiling, with proper doors that didn't have big gaps around them. My wife and I shared a changing room, which meant we only needed to take one bag and use one locker. It all just worked.

 

I get the objection. I want to know if this is actually happening.

 

The trouble isn't really a matter of whether it's happening, it's simply the fact that a woman faces the credible possibility of being naked in the women's changing room only to find a person with a beard and a penis walks on in and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

Of course a stick figure in a dress wouldn't do anything to physically stop someone so inclined from walking on in anyway but until we had all this silliness the person concerned would probably be removed in fairly short order and probably charged with something. Now it seems "I identify as female" is an acceptable line to utter to get away with it.

I'm really surprised the feminist movement hasn't fought this much harder - it's pointless fighting for women-only "safe spaces" if a man can just say he's a woman and go on in regardless. Some of the campaigning really is stupid - I personally know a young woman who considers it outrageous that a criminal who is biologically male but says he identifies as female isn't put in a women's prison. Because, you know, what female prisoners really need is a violent rapist for a cellmate because he says he identifies as female now. Which of course leads into the crucial issue - there's no reason why anyone shouldn't get to identify as whoever or whatever they choose, the problem is where their rights clash with someone else's. At present it seems the tiny minority clashes with the overwhelming majority, and the progressive answer is that the overwhelming majority has to give over as much as it takes to appease the minority.

 

We can use God's guidance but have to accept that others may use guidance from God, Allah, Vishnu, or whatever seems right to them at the time. The eternal question is just another case of having to determine where my rights end and your rights start. The problem isn't whether or not someone identifies as something that others might dispute, the problem is what happens when the two collide. If a person with a beard and a penis says they are female then more power to them, but when they enter a space intended for females that's when the problem arises. They have every right to say they are female - they can claim to be a unicorn if they feel the urge - but the eternal question is whether the other females in the women's area consent to their presence.

In many ways I'm surprised the gay agenda hasn't triggered a lot of the same complaints. I can only imagine the outcry if the teenage girls were supervised in the shower by a male teacher, but why should it be any different if the teenage boys are supervised in the shower by a gay male teacher? We segregate genders to avoid sexual issues but don't consider the implications of mixing gay people with undressed members of their own sex. (To be clear, this isn't about saying gay people are any more sexually driven than straight people, merely that if it's unacceptable to allow a straight male teacher to be aroused by the sight of teenage girls in the shower it should be equally unacceptable to allow a gay male teacher to be aroused by the sight of teenage boys in the shower).

And in the context of bathrooms and changing facilities, the whole thing goes right back to the idea that private cubicles for individuals and families works for everyone, whatever their anatomy and whatever their self-image.

 

I personally like using the unicorns-only bathroom...

 

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