Colorado Baker Case: Baker wins

I don’t see that in Tom’s reply at all. Maybe ask for clarification.

 

Job was an idiot at the end of the book, we shouldn't lose sight of that either.

 

There's no parallel at all - Job didn't go to prison. He got off lightly, he only lost all his worldly goods and had his family die. I wonder what he was moaning about.

 

Had a dear Christian brother falsely accused of arson. Convicted. Served several years.. he was a pastor and bible college professor.

His approach? "Paul did some of his best work in prison. So,should I."

And he did. Discipled 100s before his release

 

So are you saying we should all go to jail to be better Christians. Nigh, PERFECT Christians.






I kid, I kid.

 

1. Yes, he had a wife, 3 adult kids, and several grandkids.
2. No, they weren't fine with him being incarcerated. It broke their hearts, but they never blamed him or doubted his truthfulness, because they knew him.
3. He and the family decided not to appeal because it would have financially devestated the family. He wasn't happy about it, but he trusted God to take care of him and his family.
4. A number of prisoners, after learning who he was and his story, formed a protection squad that basically told all the punks and things that is touch the Preacher, we will kill you. He was never touched or molested or beaten. God was somehow big enough to protect him.
5. Negatives? Falsely accused. Spent most of his life savings on his defense. Separated from his wife of 30 plus years for a number of years. Separated from his kids and grandkids. Ate crappy food. Shared a cell with a felon. No freedom. Felony convicting for life. Can't vote. Can't own firearms.

Geez, Aaron. You tell me, any negatives?

But I will tell you this. I played the organ for his son's wedding once Dad was paroled. We talked at some length. He quoted Paul to me. "

17 For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, 18 >as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal.

I just shook his hand, palmed the c note he slipped me for playing the organ, and we both smiled and blinked tears away...

That was just before the wedding rehearsal started, and he also,handed me "Darth Vader's Death March Theme" from Star Wars and asked he if I would play it when the mother of the bride walked in! That earned he another 100!

Apparently he didn't let prison change him, but instead, he spent his time changing the lives of others around him, no matter where he found himself.

 

Seriously, a little real persecution probably wouldn't hurt any of us!

 

I don’t wish for it, but there is probably more than a little truth in that comment.

 

The church prospers in different ways under liberty versus under persecution. Both are good for different ends.

 

I'm not sure how you get from "one man made the most of a really bad situation" to "we should all hope to suffer miscarriages of justice".

Joni Eareckson Tada did a lot of God's work from her wheelchair. That's a good thing. It doesn't mean we should all hope to become crippled so we, too, can be confined to a wheelchair for the rest of our lives.

If you want to reach people in prison you can join a prison ministry - you don't need to get locked up. It's just that if you are locked up for something you didn't do it makes more sense to make something good come of it than to sit on your rear end for however many years you got saying how unfair it all is. You'd be absolutely right that it was all really unfair but saying it endlessly for a decade achieves a lot less than figuring what you can do with the time.

 

I don’t think anyone here thinks differently. Am I or RK or anyone else ok with innocent people being convicted? Are we ok with guilty people getting off scott free? No.

But it has been asked of you what changes would you propose to improve the system?

Are you ok with paramedics making mistakes that cost people their lives or some sort of permanent health issue. Do we eliminate the paramedic field since it isn’t 100%?

I guess I don’t understand your rant. Do we like injustices? No, none of us do. We all agree. Are they inevitable? Yes, in an imperfect world, they are. End of thread, right?