Colorado Baker Case: Baker wins

I’m calm. Why do you have the impression I’m not?

 

Nothing is perfect Aaron. And as far as what "I" see as fair? You may read the definition a second time. I'm not really into redefining a word to fit my agenda. Although you may find that tactic convenient.

Noticed you didn't touch upon appeals courts. There's a reason they exist.

 

Give an example of when I’ve “redefined a word to fit my agenda.” You made the accusation, now back it up. Appeals courts? Sure, they come in handy at times, but if the job was done right the first time, they would actually be unnecessary. And appeals courts don’t always rule any differently than the original court. Which may be fine...unless you appealed your conviction because you’re actually innocent and the appeals court just goes ahead and stands by the original conviction ruling.

 

I’m fine with the death penalty...as long as something solid, like DNA evidence, indicates a person’s guilt. Not mere circumstantial evidence. Not “he had motive and opportunity to commit the crime.” Not the picking out of a suspect in a suspect lineup. I’m talking DNA and preferably also some OTHER solid forensic evidence. Of course perfect justice is “impossible within the realm of humanity.” You just reiterated my point. Which is, as I said, the reason I’m less than impresssed with it. Better than nothing, but far from what I’d like to see...

 

Sure, here's an example for you;
Therefore, we DON’T have a “fair” justice system. We have an imperfect and flawed one. Which is why I’m NOT impressed with it.
We have a flawed and imperfect system is not an antonym for fair system.
What would be an unfair system is if there were no right to appeal.
You've taken flawed and imperfect and defined it as unfair.
Wrong!

 

I appreciate your opinion, but I don’t agree with your assessment of what’s “fair.” If our justice system were truly fair, mistakes would not be made. Guilty people wouldn’t be let go. Innocent people would’t be convicted. Corrupt and incompetent prosecutors wouldn’t suppress evidence that clears a defendant just so they can “win” and get a conviction.

 

Ok, so, because God interjects mercy with justice, does that mean when we see, or even personally experience, injustice on earth we are just to shrug our shoulders and act like it’s no big deal? If I get convicted of molesting a child and I DIDN’T actually molest a child am I not supposed to be upset about it? Am I supposed to just accept my fate and be “good” while in prison? Am I not supposed to appeal my conviction because “justice” was supposedly served? You give the impression that you believe that as Christians we aren’t supposed to be concerned with justice, just mercy. Because, after all, God doesn’t impose complete justice for our sins and we have the opportunity to go to Heaven because of that.

 

Now you're redefining again.
Truly fair does not equate to flawless (or as you like to view it, "perfect")
We'll have a one time and one time only perfect judgement.
In the meantime, we'll have a fair, imperfect justice system
You do know that you can appeal all the way to the Supreme Court?
Which makes it as "flawless" as "humanly" possible.

So yes, I can honestly say, "I trust the judicial system".

 

Well, that’s good for you, I suppose. I don’t fully trust it, though. I think only a fool would.

 

Aaron, sometimes I see you arguing just to be disagreeable.
If someone did to you,"have a nice day!"
Your response would be, "Don't tell me what to do!"

 

You’re saying that only because I don’t agree with you. You do realize, right, that Christians are NOT obligated to agree with each other in all matters with everybody all the time? By the way, Tom, I have agreed with you about various things over the years. Not often, but I have. I’ve even mentioned publicly in the forum that I agreed with you about this or that. Again, you may not recall that, but I have.

 

No, I'm saying that because I feel you're in error in your method of defining.

 

That’s the rub, good sir. It won’t ever be flawless while humans are in charge of “justice.” I never advocated that it COULD if just given enough time or money or whatever. We will ALWAYS find a way to screw things up. Always. When we can find a way to make sure only guilty people get convicted and all innocent people get acquitted...then I’ll be impressed with man’s justice system. I know you’re a bit sensitive to the issue, with you being an attorney and all, but I’m just expressing my view. Not trying to attack you personally. I honestly believe MOST lawyers just do the best with what they’re handed in their cases and they act with integrity and such. Most. But not all.

 

In a recent survey of prison inmates, it's been discovered that 98.7% of them are innocent.