Dimensionality and the Trinity

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Athanasius, Mar 20, 2018.

  1. Athanasius

    Athanasius Life is not a problem to be solved Staff Member

    Let's assume that God isn't restricted to three dimensions as we are, but exists in at least four dimensions if not more. If God created the universe from outside, then I see no reason for this suggestion to be controversial. For imagery, consider the following explanation of the 4th dimension by Carl Sagan:



    Sounds familiar in terms of God's historical interactions with humanity, does it not? But if that's the case, then on what reasonable grounds would an individual have for claiming that God's nature is not trinitarian because it doesn't make logical sense, when in fact we can conceive of a fourth dimension that does make logical sense, but is, in fact, impossible for our brains to conceptualise (go ahead, think of a tesseract). Is God's revelation not, therefore, the translation of super-dimensionality into our existence, although never absolutely accurately due to our natural restrictions (and of no fault of God's)? Thus God is Trinitarian, though our understanding of the full reality incomplete given our natural restrictions, and in that way, its incomprehensibility is a proof of the doctrine's truthfulness rather than as an argument against it.

    This has been said before, but thoughts?
     
  2. RabbiKnife

    RabbiKnife Open the pod bay door, please HAL. Staff Member

    I think that's a fairly reasonable and succinct argument. One of the problems that philosopher/scientist/poet/artist/warriors have always had is the problem that the observer has to impact the observed; yet, as you note above, the super-dimensionality of God renders the "observer interference of the observed" argument moot.

    Can you say "billlllllllllllyuns"?
     
  3. teddyv

    teddyv The horse is in the barn. Staff Member

    Is this meant to be used as an analogy?
     
  4. IMINXTC

    IMINXTC Time Bandit

    I believe so.
    One purpose of the revelation of God in Christ is to teach man that, just as in the matter of time, He both permeates and transcends all dimensions, having created all dimensions.
    Man has no reasonable grounds for denying the Trinity based upon what he concludes to be logical, but is compelled to realize there is a limit, at this point in time, to his ability to fully comprehend.
    And just as God is timeless, it could be said that He occupies no measurable dimension.
     
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  5. RabbiKnife

    RabbiKnife Open the pod bay door, please HAL. Staff Member

    I don't think so.

    The reference to Sagan's description is to demonstrate that although we may not understand or comprehend the Trinity, the fact that we can conceive of such a being is rational, and the fact that we can't fully describe Trinity is evidence of the truthfulness of the concept, e.g., if we could explain it, it wouldn't be God.
     
  6. Athanasius

    Athanasius Life is not a problem to be solved Staff Member

    Yep, this.
     
  7. RabbiKnife

    RabbiKnife Open the pod bay door, please HAL. Staff Member

    RabbiKnife: Taking the incomprehensible and making it inconceivable since 1963...
     
  8. Athanasius

    Athanasius Life is not a problem to be solved Staff Member

    Quite right - so much agreeing
     
  9. TrustGzus

    TrustGzus What does this button do? Staff Member

    And the doctrine of the Trinity breaks no law of logic depsite what people who aren’t trained in logic might think.
     
  10. TomH

    TomH Well-Known Member

    Everything I ever needed in comprehending God was summed up in one verse for me.

    Exodus 3:14
    And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.
    Good enough for Moses and Israel, good enough for me.
    There's already a million things in the secular world beyond my comprehension.
     
  11. The Parson

    The Parson Your friendly neighborhood parson Staff Member

    Shoot, "we" can't fathom the depths of God's existence. Like Tom posted "He is that He is"...
     
  12. ProDeo

    ProDeo What a day for a day dream

    The story in 2 Kings 6 IMO is an example Elisha and the young servant for a moment were granted to see in another dimension, v15-17.
     
  13. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    I don’t fully grasp the Trinity. And that’s ok. It isn’t even a salvation issue.
     
  14. TrustGzus

    TrustGzus What does this button do? Staff Member

    So you don’t think one has to worship the correct god to be saved?
     
  15. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    I do believe one must worship the God of the Bible. And it’s only through the sacrificial death of Jesus that one can even be saved. What I’m saying is I don’t believe one must fully comprehend how God is 3 in 1. He is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. But how, EXACTLY, that works...not a salvation issue.
     
  16. TrustGzus

    TrustGzus What does this button do? Staff Member

    Much clearer.
     

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