Why don't religious and non-religious people get along?

Discussion in 'The Christian Answers Section' started by ChristianInspiration, May 31, 2017.

  1. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    Kierkegaard, I'm not sure what you mean by the topics the OP raises aren't very "inspiring." Is that your way of saying they just don't personally interest you? Also, I don't know if you saw, but I had asked earlier what does "loving" people that you don't like, for various reasons, look like in practical ways. I genuinely don't know what that means. I can treat them civilly, but inside I'm thinking "Ugghhh." I'm sure you'll say that doesn't count as "loving them." So, please explain what is.
     
  2. Kierkegaard

    Kierkegaard Life is not a problem to be solved Staff Member

    He asks us about the 'amazing healing drug' marijuana, which, of course, if prescribed would create holes in everyones lungs, and induce psychotic episodes in more than a few. The phrasing is poor. In this thread he doesn't get along _at all_ with non-religious people, but that is just silly unless he's a terrible person. In another thread he asks if we'll be saying goodbye to our non-raptured loved ones, as if we'll be able to 'Matrix' the 'twinkling of an eye bit' and say our good byes. And so on.

    If you think, 'ugghh', I couldn't tell you. I have never looked at anyone and genuinely felt disdain for them - yet, and I hope never. I used to pray for two things (though not only these two things) every day, and at some point foolishly stopped: that God would bless me with wisdom, and that I would see people like He sees people. I don't know what runs through anyone's head that they could hate or disdain someone; I don't understand why people do the evil that they do - myself included. Maybe all you need is a simple thought exercise: think of someone you genuinely love, and how you treat them, and then do the same for everyone else. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
  3. פNIʞƎƎS

    פNIʞƎƎS Connoisseur of Memes Staff Member

    Wow. I like that. That's a good approach. One of my mentors uses a phrase that makes me both say wow and giggle. When she's faced with a difficult person to deal with, she takes her glasses off and then puts on her Jesus glasses. Meaning, how would Jesus look at this person.
     
  4. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    You have never felt disdain for anybody? That's a rare quality in a human. Maybe God blessed you with that? I have never really felt hatred for anybody, but I definitely have felt strong dislike for people. The problem I have with your approach is that I know the person I dislike is NOT the same person I have affection for. That being the case, the feelings of affection are NOT going to be felt for that person. Maybe God can FORCE me to have feelings of affection for people I normally dislike. If I ask Him to override my feelings, do you think He would do that for me? To clear up your confusion, the reason I dislike certain people is pretty simple. It typically, if not always, has to do with the fact that they treat me lousy in some way. They act like they're better than me. Smarter than me. They're rude. They stab me in the back. They treat me unfairly. Are very disrespectful to me. Make false accusations against me. It's kind of difficult for me to feel "warm fuzzies" for people like that.
     
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  5. Kierkegaard

    Kierkegaard Life is not a problem to be solved Staff Member

    I'm not talking about feelings. Start with actions, and go from there. And, why would God override your feelings? You're perfectly capable of doing that yourself ;)
     
  6. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    Well, if it's only necesssry to limit it to "actions," I CAN do that. I already do that. I can TREAT somebody I dislike very decently. If I don't have to FEEL affection for them while doing it, then I'm already doing what I need to do. I can guarantee that doing loving things to people I don't like will NOT begin to make me feel affection for them. Not unless they then somehow change in a positive way. If they're being rude to me, disrespectful, arrogant, condescending, sarcastic, aggressive, etc., affection just isn't going to come.
     
  7. hisleast

    hisleast FISHBEAT!

    Because the different ideals will naturally lead to friction on deciding mutual governance. If someone was deeply religious in a faith that said "wearing red is idolatry of the highest order", then its adherents would be desperate to LEGISLATE that. The non-religious who simply want to wear red would be perceived as immoral actors for questioning the legitimacy of that legislation. Likewise, if a religion has a time tested legitimately moral principle (even if its people can't defend it), then they will be natural enemies of those who treat morality as absolutely relative.
     
  8. פNIʞƎƎS

    פNIʞƎƎS Connoisseur of Memes Staff Member

    I have many friends, and family members, who aren't religious, and I don't find that it affects our relationship to the point that we can't get along.
     
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  9. TrustGzus

    TrustGzus Don't make me hangry Staff Member

    What he said.
     
  10. פNIʞƎƎS

    פNIʞƎƎS Connoisseur of Memes Staff Member

    As a matter of fact, the people who had issues with Jesus WERE the religious people.
     
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  11. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    I think this is true. It varies from person to person. There are some religious people who get along well with people who aren't religious. There are some religious people who don't get along with people who aren't religious. There are non-religious people who get along well with religious people. There are non-religious people who don't get along with religious people. There are non-religious people who don't get along well with other non-religious people. There are religious people who don't get along with other religious people. Me, I get along with people, religious or not, if they're respectful to me. If they're not...well, you know. ;)
     
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  12. פNIʞƎƎS

    פNIʞƎƎS Connoisseur of Memes Staff Member

    I'm so confused right now.... :confused:
     
  13. DaniH

    DaniH You're probably fine.

    Love is a verb, not a feeling.
     
  14. פNIʞƎƎS

    פNIʞƎƎS Connoisseur of Memes Staff Member

    Absolutely
     
  15. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    Which is why I believe it's totally possible to actively treat people in a "loving manner" (speak kind things to them, feed them if they're out of food and money, etc.) without even liking them personally. Maybe even intensely disliking them. Agape love is what we're called to display to others. This is a love that looks out for the welfare of others. You do loving things for them simply because it's the right thing to do. It's a sacrificial love. Nowhere in the Bible does it say we must have philos, or affectionate love, like with a close friend, for everybody we meet. This is why we CAN love our enemies, as Jesus commands us to do. Our love for our enemies does NOT require us to have warm fuzzies for them. We just have to treat them with kindness. Too many Christians have the mistaken impression that we MUST feel affection for everybody, including our enemies, however the Bible does NOT say we have to do so.
     
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  16. DaniH

    DaniH You're probably fine.

    I'm glad love is a choice and not based on feels, because I don't even consistently feel affection for my own family or friends ... never mind my enemies. Ha.

    If it was all depending on how I feel, then I'd mostly be hitting people over the head with blunt objects. Just sayin. Smacking you with a fish.
     
  17. Asadullah

    Asadullah Member

    I haven't read up all the above posts except some of first. But i'd like to my thought reegarding to the question.

    Well, Religious and non-religious people can live together. I being a muslim have got many christian friend, hindus and some of other religious mates. Its since the childhood we are friends. Pakistan is a sub-continent and the area i used to live had collective religious people... Being non-religious we celeberate each other functions, occasions Eids or whatever you name it. Even we go at each others home make parties together and have fun. Go for a play or on a walk together. Neither our parents nor somebody else has ever stopped me from doing so. Because there's nothing wrong in doing this thing. But in all this, we just avoid the religious talks because we know each one has its own religion and posses own religious rules and guides. We also know that before religions there comes ' humanity '. We being humans have got humanity. That's why we don't make different in humans atleast.

    There are some people ( i have seen myself ) who avoid making friendship with non-religious persons. If i talk about my elder uncle, he is a religous person. He never eats the food came from a non-religious person. Never celeberates their occasions but also don't forbid us to. So in this way the conflicts occur. Each person has got its own thoughts and nature and would lead his life accordingly. We can't acutally force anyone to do this or that. Also there are some non-religious people who avoid us because they believe in their religion. Even if now we start working on making good relations between religousn and non-religous people and we might success in it, But one day these religious conflicts will out break and everything will be destoyed again.
     
  18. MommaJenny

    MommaJenny Member

    Now that is the funniest thing I've read in a long time! "Matrix the twinkling of an eye bit"...I literally spit out my water. :D Oh, and just to let y'all know about the OPs avatar, I think it's the default avatar for the site. I had a female gender sign until I changed it.

    Anyway, regarding the discussion here, I have atheist friends who I find difficult to get along with because they say they don't want to talk about it, but then they do. They say they don't want to try to convince me God is a man-made idea, but then they try. They act astounded that someone of my intellectual level could fall for something as ridiculous as God. To be fair, I feel the same way about them insofar as thinking they should be smart enough to do something to save their souls, but I don't actually get into that with them. I just say a prayer.
     
  19. DaniH

    DaniH You're probably fine.

    Yes exactly.

    My religion tells me to love God and to love my neighbor as myself. My neighbor is every person in the world, but really is whoever is in front of me and is suffering, and I should help them when I can. I am to especially love my "brothers and sisters" who are my "religious family."

    I am Christian and many in my family are Christian. Some are atheist/agnostic (or "non-religious"). Some are Muslim. Sometimes we talk about religion, but most times not. We normally just talk about family things and life things when we are together. But we all know what everyone believes, and we have respect for one another. We raised our Children in the Christian religion but they are adults now and can choose for themselves.

    I think there will always be people who build community ... and people who destroy community. I want only to build, if I can. But that is something everyone must decide for themselves.
     
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  20. The topic is left broad to help stimulate conversation, I don't intend to be offensive in any way, I just like hearing the different inputs of a variety of individuals.

    One that believes in religion in some variation, vs an atheist that believes in nothing.
     

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