Forgiveness...Is it selfish?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by devilslayer365, Aug 22, 2017.

  1. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    Well, before I can even begin to try to answer that, does God “get something” out of forgiving us? If so, what is it?
     
  2. RabbiKnife

    RabbiKnife Open the pod bay door, please HAL.

    Does it matter?

    If God does it, it is good.
     
  3. ProDeo

    ProDeo What a day for a day dream

    Where I live the Roman Catholics (!) have an old saying - it's more blissful to give than to receive.
     
  4. פNIʞƎƎS

    פNIʞƎƎS Connoisseur of Memes Staff Member

    Of course He gets something out of it. Every action has a reaction. He forgives us, it puts love in us towards Him. Makes us grateful for what He's done and sacrificed.
     
  5. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    So, to make sure I understand you correctly, what God “gets” from forgiving us is our love towards Him? That His motivation for forgiving us is that He wants (though He doesn’t need) our love?
     
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2017
  6. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    I’m just trying to answer Seeking’s question. However, I needed to clarify something before I can even try to.
     
  7. פNIʞƎƎS

    פNIʞƎƎS Connoisseur of Memes Staff Member

    Love is His motivation. His love for us. Not how we reciprocate. "For God so loved the World....." I'm sure you're read that before.
     
  8. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    True. I have. So, then, the question that has been put to me is, “Is it ‘selfish’ for God to forgive us so that we’ll love Him?” To accurately answer that, I guess it depends on what we define as “selfish.”
     
  9. ProDeo

    ProDeo What a day for a day dream

    Is it selfish to give your (little) children presents because you would love to see the shine in their eyes? You might even get a hug in return. Selfish also?
     
  10. Scooby_Snax

    Scooby_Snax Rut-Roh

    Forgiveness makes more sense than the alternative. In my experience when I am willing to forgive, God opens my mind in some way-- I don't know how? I think He sees my dependence on Him for His help knowing that might be the best I can do--just be willing. He walks me through things, and I take things back, then get to that very uncomfortable place again where willingness is the only way..and eventually, surrender and resolution.

    I wish it were easier, but if it were easy He would not have mentioned the need for it. (Shadowing something I heard somewhere else)
     
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2017
  11. DaniH

    DaniH You're probably fine.

    Yes.

    Self-concern: You're aware that you matter and that you need to take care of yourself and avoid being hurt unnecessarily or being so lazy about self-care that you become a burden on someone else because you can't perform at your optimal capacity.
    Selfishness: You believe you matter more than everyone else and can't be bothered looking out for anyone else. Because if it's not about you, and you alone, it doesn't exist. Other people are simply props to your main stage performance.
     

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