Should 2 Timothy 2:14 affecting our posting style?

Discussion in 'Bible Chat' started by TrustGzus, Aug 24, 2017.

  1. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    I read through that thread. It was HILARIOUS. Too many people trying to overspiritualize things. In a rare moment, I agree with you. Yes, there ARE things that are true that are not explicitly discussed or mentioned in scripture. It’s true that blue is my favorite color, Italian is my favorite food, and Journey used to be my favorite band to listen to in high school, but none of these things are found in scripture.
     
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  2. teddyv

    teddyv The horse is in the barn. Staff Member

    I think "Don't Stop Believing" is somewhere in scripture.
     
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  3. TrustGzus

    TrustGzus What does this button do? Staff Member

    I know a guy that said “Wheel In the Sky” was a reference to Ezekiel.
     
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  4. Scooby_Snax

    Scooby_Snax Rut-Roh

    The Journey song?
     
  5. ProDeo

    ProDeo What a day for a day dream

    Was it really so bad? I sometimes wish I would be that kind of naive again and never subscribed to a BF. Knowledge has its dark sides.
     
  6. TrustGzus

    TrustGzus What does this button do? Staff Member

    Yes
     
  7. Scooby_Snax

    Scooby_Snax Rut-Roh

    According to the liner notes of Journey's Time3 compilation, this started out as a poem called "Wheels In My Mind" by Diane Valory, the wife of Journey bassist Ross Valory. Robert Fleischman, the band's first vocalist, wrote new lyrics, and guitarist Neal Schon wrote the melody on acoustic guitar in the back seat of a station wagon while the band was driving between shows.

    There were others discussing what the lyrics meant, and a couple of them brought up Ezekiel. (My grandsons name!)
     
  8. TrustGzus

    TrustGzus What does this button do? Staff Member

    I’m pretty sure it has nothing to do with Ezekiel.
     
  9. Dani

    Dani You're probably fine.

    Good lord.

    "The Bible is truth"
    "How do you know?"
    "Because God is truth"
    "How do you know?"
    "Because the Bible says so"
    "Buuuut ... how do you know the Bible is truth?"

    Same old circular serpent biting its own tail ... eek. :confused::confused::confused:

    Anyhow, with regard to the OP, I don't think Paul was referring to the normal disagreements that we all have, and that we normally carry out with grace and maturity around here even when things get a bit heated from time to time. If you read a bit further you can see that he's talking about people who claimed the resurrection had already happened, and so pulled the rug of faith out from under their listeners, because if the resurrection has already happened and you missed it, what point is there in trusting Christ any longer? You didn't make the cut, so ... eat up, drink up, sin up; that's all you got left ya poor sod.
     
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  10. devilslayer365

    devilslayer365 Wazzup?!

    I think it’s a bit too unrealistic to expect Christians never to debate things or disagree. We’re just not going to always see eye to eye on things, including some theological matters. For instance, some Christians believe in Universal Reconciliation. I don’t. It’s a nice thought, but too many scriptures indicate to me that many people are not saved and end up in hell. For the Christians that believe in UR, they’re certainly entitled to believe what they want. It’s not my place to judge the sincerity or accuracy of their Christianity, as that is for God alone to do, but, at the same time, I’m free to believe they are in error on that matter. Of course, just because we disagree doesn’t mean we’re entitled to be horrible or disrespectful to each other.
     
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  11. פNIʞƎƎS

    פNIʞƎƎS Connoisseur of Memes Staff Member

    I don't think anyone here expects that.

    Exactly. That's the point the OP was making.
     
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  12. TrustGzus

    TrustGzus What does this button do? Staff Member

    That’s how I try to conduct my life. To be in this forum one has to be like this to a quite an extent. We are quite a diverse bunch on the theological spectrum.
     
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  13. Dani

    Dani You're probably fine.

    Exacately. :) What we argue matters, but how we argue matters more.
     
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  14. BlueSky

    BlueSky Active Member

    Yes, I think these verses contain some helpful information about our postings on forums or anywhere for that matter. I found these thoughts helpful.

    From GILLS exposition.

    Charging them before the Lord; the omniscient God, as in his sight, as they will answer it to him another day; see 1 Timothy 5:21,

    that they strive not about words; it became them to strive and contend for the form of sound words, for the wholesome words or doctrines of our Lord Jesus, but not about mere words, and especially such as were

    to no profit; to no advantage to truth, nor to themselves nor others; were not to edification, to spiritual edification, to godly edifying, which is in faith:

    but to the subverting of the hearers; the confounding of their minds, misleading their judgments, and overthrowing their faith; and therefore were not only unprofitable, but hurtful and pernicious, and by all means to be avoided


    BARNES:

    Charging them before the Lord - In the presence of the Lord, implying that it was a very important matter; see the notes at 1 Timothy 1:18.

    That they strive not about words to no profit; - see the notes at 1 Timothy 1:6; 1 Timothy 6:4.

    But to the subverting of the hearers - Turning them away from the simplicity of faith. It is rare, indeed, that a religious controversy does not produce this effect, and this is commonly the case, where, as often happens, the matter in dispute is of little importance.


    ELLICOTS


    Charging them before the Lord.—Better rendered, solemnly charging them before the Lord . . . In all Timothy’s solemn addresses to his flock he is, St. Paul reminds him, charging his people “before the Lord”—a very earnest, solemn thought for every public teacher, and one calculated now, as then, to deepen the life of one appointed to such an office. There was a grave danger that such empty, profitless disputes about words and expressions, which, we know, occupied the attention of many of the Ephesian so called Christian teachers, would end in distracting the minds of the members of the several congregations, who would naturally take their tone, in matters connected with religious life, from their teacher; and thus words would soon come to be substituted for acts in the lives of those men and women called by the name of Christ in Ephesus. (See 1Timothy 6:4, where these “strifes of words” are mentioned among the special characteristics of the false teachers.)

    But to the subverting of the hearers.—Not only are such arguments and disputes useless and profitless, but they are positively mischievous. In the long history of Christianity, St. Paul’s repeated warning respecting the danger of these disputes about theological terms and expressions has been sadly verified. Such contentions serve only to unsettle the mind, only to shake true faith, only to distract the one who gives himself up to this fatal pursuit, from real, earnest, patient work for Christ.
     
  15. Chuckz

    Chuckz Member

    I think it means to not argue over doubtful issues.
    King James Bible
    Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
    https://biblehub.com/romans/14-1.htm

    There are plenty of areas where we are to defend the faith (Jude 3).
     

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